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Maximum drag of reel is not when that reel will break but what the maximum drag it can provide, so if you use a reel with a maximum drag just under the breaking strain of the line and recomended rod,in your case it would be in the region of 9.5 to 10kg it can safely be set to maximum drag, without risk of breaking and still utilising the full potential of the rod. Dont forget that any leaders used must be heavier than the mainline or it may break. Always use plenty of line on reel as without the ability to break the line, if the fish should be a monster and take all your line off the reel, it can then destroy your reel. You can select option to cut the line in this situation but I can say that I have never had to cut it. If done correctly only the reel should reach the verry top of the red zone and the rod and line should reach a max at one or two segments from the top.

Happy Fishing for the big ones.

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The one warning you must not ignore is if it says lure or bait is too heavy for rod as this will result in rod breaking on a full cast.

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I am not sure if I completly understand this, best for me is an example given:
Rod: JigWinner 270, line weight 1.5 - 6 kg
Line: Fluoro 0.30 Test 5.5 kg
Reel: Prima 3000 Max. Drag 4.0 kg (8 settings)

Can I use the reel even in the highest (8th) setting - which sets the drag to 4.0 kg - without breaking anything unless the fish takes all the line (AKA spooling)?
 

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3 hours ago, Yuccasu said:

I am not sure if I completly understand this, best for me is an example given:
Rod: JigWinner 270, line weight 1.5 - 6 kg
Line: Fluoro 0.30 Test 5.5 kg
Reel: Prima 3000 Max. Drag 4.0 kg (8 settings)

Can I use the reel even in the highest (8th) setting - which sets the drag to 4.0 kg - without breaking anything unless the fish takes all the line (AKA spooling)?
 

Yes. As long as your output dragforce is less or equal to the weakest link in your setup you are fine. In this case your line of 5.5kg. You could even use a reel with the max drag of 21kg if you would like, as long as your drag doesnt go above "5.5kg" (in this case). 

A reel with max 21kg that you can adjust in 12 steps (as an example only) would mean it applies (21kg/12steps = 1.75kg) 1.75kg per step, so 3:rd step in the drag would be 1.75kgx3 = 5.25kg of drag, and would also be fine with the 5.5kg line. Would apply for instance 5.51kg of drag, then its gonna break. 
And if you were to have your 6kg rod with a 7kg line on it, then your rod would be the "weakest link", and the same math applies to that, keep the output drag less or equal to "6kg".

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On 1/11/2022 at 12:33 AM, Yuccasu said:

Thanks for pointing this out. I never used the highest drag setting because I was afraid of breaking the reel.

Which is exactly what will happen if you get spooled.  The line should always be the breaking point.  Max drag / number of drag settings.  A second of simple math will show you your max drag setting your line can handle and you never have to worry about losing a reel is spooled.

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Using a console the same buttons are used to select rods in the stand as are used to change the drag level on the reel. Before I started using max drag I was often losing tackle because I had not realised I had increased my drag whilst swapping rods,especially when you have fish on multiple rods and you are trying to switch between them all so you don't lose any.

Using max drag and a full spool you have plenty of time to decide to cut the line as it approaches the four or five hundred yards that you have on the spool and it is rare unless you purposely fish for large fish on light gear for this to happen.

I like the fact that you never lose a fish but you may cut a fish loose if there is a risk of damaging your reel.

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I also lost countless fish by picking up a rod from the stand, and the game just changed it to full drag the last time I put the rod down. Luckily this doesn't happen anymore, since I found out about the max drag settings and I corrected all my gear. All rod/reel combos of mine can handle max drag now. Will never lose a fish/lure again thankfully.

I am not sure if max drag puts more wear on the equipment and thus increases the repair costs, so I usually fish with drag one setting under maximum. If the fish is big and takes line, I them put it to max. Pretty sure though that the time you gain by landing the fish faster is worth the extra wear.

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I'm sure they do wear quicker but more evenly than an unbalanced setup,and you don't notice the cost until you go home.

Agreed have a max drag setup for every type or weight of fishing I need.

Also noticed as its more apparent with all the levels going to max that rod tip position makes a big difference to the amount of strain you can put on a fish, with the tip low or towards the fish it may not be in the red and the fish may take line,but raising the tip or pulling to the side so that the rod is maxed out puts way more. Pressure on it. 

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3 hours ago, weeksy said:

Also noticed as its more apparent with all the levels going to max that rod tip position makes a big difference to the amount of strain you can put on a fish, with the tip low or towards the fish it may not be in the red and the fish may take line,but raising the tip or pulling to the side so that the rod is maxed out puts way more. Pressure on it. 

Yes, always the case regardless of drag setting.  Good use of the RMB (or apropriate key to raise the rod tip on your system) can make a huge difference in fighting fish and even stop/turn them around at critical times.

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Hi,

Just a thought about gunnies799 point re the game changing to full drag when I picking the rod up from the rod stand:  I play on PS4 and also used to get this quite a lot but only on one of the rod stand positions. I noticed that the PS4 controller button for this rod stand position was the same for increasing the drag and therefore whenever I was a bit quick using the button or a bit overzealous with it I found that the drag could sometimes be increased as I put the rod in the stand and therefore when I picked that rod  up again I would have a higher drag setting.

Hope this helps a bit

    

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Yes, I agree. This should theoretically only happen on slot 1 ie. the one on the left (L1+up arrow). That is why everyone should always make sure that the setup is suited for max drag in case this happens, whether you ever plan to use max drag or not. Unfortunately the game does not explain this mechanism very clearly to new users so I guess most new players will lose a lot of money (like myself) by correcting setups, buying new equipment, selling owned unsuitable equipment by the time they find out how this works. It would be nice having some sort of tutorial on this for beginners.

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On 5/18/2022 at 11:31 PM, gunnies799 said:

That is why everyone should always make sure that the setup is suited for max drag in case this happens, whether you ever plan to use max drag or not.

I would add the caveat to that 'if you are playing on a system where you can easily set your reel to max drag accidentally'.  There is no valid reason to ever setup your gear this way playing on PC.

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